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hello and welcome to podcasting for value
one idiot attempt to starting a value
for a podcast this is episode twenty
four and this is a a bit
of a milestone chevron's on edge of
their seat to find out why but
i've got a special go
guest with me a good friend of
mine who has been podcasting since about
nineteen seventy three i believe is probably
done more podcast than any human being
that's ever been recorded on earth at
this might be a little bit i
provide care but i'd like to introduce
my
friend stephen mclaughlin say steve mclaughlin and
know steve
also known as the door to door
geek and he's gonna come along for
this this journey as we dig into
podcasting podcasting to buy no value for
value and just a and all around
good guy and someone who's help me
out tremendously
in this this journey that i've started
the think back in january now so
everybody give it up for the door
to door geek age as china to
take too much of the show her
door
i mean you know just hey i
mean i will say i have been
podcast for a while i think the
last time i calculated it it was
literally now eight years ago when i
calculated it and it was over three
thousand total hours a podcasting which i
thought back then you know how much
more can i podcast while it's a
let's dig into your origin story a
little bit here and there the intro
of this podcast our what made you
decide to get into podcast and and
how did you get into it will
i mean i guess the the real
way and they are quote to become
a podcast her his you're listening to
a podcast and somebody
either ask a question or they say
something in air quit that's wrong you
know just like the normal internet kind
of thing and you're like new to
no no no no no no that's
not read that right and you will
make sure the person gets it right
because ninety nine percent of the time
when you get negative feedback in a
podcast it isn't actually negative feedback if
the guy knowing you like new and
wanting you to
be right as far as they see
it so the very first things i
did was sending voice mails ah to
a show our products or computer tech
repair stuff and i was like telling
the guy will you know there's more
than one ways to do things in
windows you can do this you can
do that or you could you this
there's just one way and i kept
sending
yeah and voice mails kind of thing
and and after a while i he
had me on an episode talking about
my routine of cleaning fixing computers and
he was just a super nice guy
turned out mean im just barely started
coming france i convinced him to start
doing a linux podcast even though he
literally couldn't spell linux the very first
time
i then i convinced him to do
an android podcast and then i convinced
him to basically sell me the network
because he got like got blown he
got on oh wore out doing computer
tech work music i can't do this
anymore i gotta go do something else
yeah that's steve chair be no
he was definitely those are some of
the first podcasts i listened to and
first time i ever heard you on
a podcast was legs for the rest
of us and and just to listening
from from then which was i mean
that must have been around that a
year ago mark which would make it
was at math today
one and fourteen or so and and
it's pretty amazing though the transition that
you've made and how you've improved your
podcasting skills in that time and what
do you contribute that to her answers
kind of a dumb question they out
imagine it's it's practice
listen in usd and this doing it
all the time bowser anything towards the
beginning there that really helped you become
a better podcast her i'm well i
it aid is not a dumb question
in reality cause the real secret is
billion him a secret at all when
i was young i had a very
severe speech
impediment speech does fluency stuttering issued where
i literally couldn't say like two or
three words without completely stammering or completely
blocking like thirty second street kind of
thing
and one of the things that i
remember though one of the forms of
therapy they had me do with literally
sit in a little room talking with
the speech therapists speaking into a microphone
in than listening to myself speak the
ideal was if you hear yourself then
you have a better idea of how
to cope in hell to
to work around ah your speech impediment
and i just was like that literally
up until about the age of thirty
two where i'd be didn't talk to
anybody ever under any circumstances arm i
literally like would skip job interviews because
people's perception into this day still a
lot of times people equate intelligence with
inability
to speak clearly a speech impediment then
i got thirty then i decided i
don't care anymore what people think and
and all sudden i just stopped stuttering
as much it is practice it is
repetition but it's also not overstretching not
over worrying a lot of it is
what i considered to be almost like
a stage presence kind of thing to
we're
you have this the best thing you
can possibly do is practice yes but
slow down your speech a little bit
arm and this is basically harkening back
to rick flair and those kind of
guys teaching professional wrestling back in the
day it is impossible to go to
slow and if you were to go
back and watch wrestling back from the
eighties you'd be shocked at how slow
every way
moot because you can't move to slow
when you're speaking the best plus two
speaking slow is the you don't have
to then hurry up in rushing gotten
i and i'm in and do all
those filler kind of sounds because that's
really all the sounds are are fillers
so when you speak slow and you
speak per site and you think your
thoughts out you really don't
have to worry about getting to a
point to we're you have to take
those are word pauses kind of thing
i'm once i am
i'm what i found that and i
stopped making my word pausing kind of
things i was more comfortable just leaving
blank spaces in the audio which blank
spaces to an audio engineer is the
easiest thing to remove in post production
so now i'm to the point to
we're i'm i'm i'm going to retire
from my nine to five job here
and for
four years just about four years and
i'm going to seriously look at trying
to do some sort of full time
gig
online speaking to some measure the i
find that a fascinating story have heard
you you tell different versions of getting
over a speech impediment and pediment impairment
and that's fascinating because it is it
is a night and day difference from
from when i first heard you yeah
i n n it's like you know
i really don't talk to anybody from
a youth at all ever again i
and i really have no desire to
on the kind of person are not
on facebook not because i don't like
facebook because there's literally no honey honey
thanks book i want to communicate with
even like meet you my sister and
brother one lives you four hundred miles
that way one lives two thousand miles
that way so we don't see each
other that often and the last time
i sat with my sister some plates
my sister was like man you're like
speaking like really clear lake
you're not sitting at all and i
and i turn em like her says
you do realize he like does public
speaking where he speaks in front of
like three hundred people a time sometimes
right and she just like now
ah okay cool let's and and i
apologize to anyone listening and to you
i just decided as going to talk
there for a while being muted which
is by good because it wasn't anything
anything interesting to hear anyway
i guess read this point i should
probably mention that we're having this chat
over mumble server which you just help
me set up and it's on a
raspberry pi three
here in my office next to the
half a dozen other raspberry pi is
that are blinking and causing a ruckus
at are you know half from do
anymore i put him my network and
now don't even know what they are
but it's open source way to communicate
when you can have up to door
said that they had
twenty eight people at one time and
on a raspberry pi which is a
small single board computer with not very
not very heavy duty hardware specs but
that's all you need and so this
is another decentralized way to communicate or
not relying on you tube or any
other so
sort of corporate hardware one of the
other things that that happened was the
have my own all which is a
a bitcoin lightning node and at they're
trying to go into basically a full
home server it went offline for a
while
again and i think it was just
an update and a an update and
then the the network had to sink
so that was what the problem was
so if there's any boost it went
through i haven't seen any boost since
the last episode which was well as
a week ago so this is is
pretty good for
the coming in with only one week
between episodes and why i usually do
here door is after the intro is
is going to value for value and
to as hoping that maybe maybe you
and i could discuss here a bow
monetizing a network or or a podcast
and before we get it i wanted
to thank roster call of era for
creating a clip in fountain which if
you're listening to a podcast and found
you could make clips which will then
show up on their the home screen
of the app and data is a
great way to return value so i
think roster call vara for that they've
been pretty supportive during this trip of
podcasting that i've been on and so
i appreciate that so door cipher the
diatribe their i'm not that the first
time i've
been driving a ship like this
i'm out i'm just wondering how you
are if you monetize our sponsors pay
wall and to sort of your general
thoughts on on monetizing a podcast i
mean honestly i feel kind of vexed
am i feel kind of both ways
about it and in it's partially because
was while i am like the owner
operator a pot nuts i like to
believe ah under dad apartments i'm not
the father steve trevino is the father
i'm just the dad i'm so i'm
trying to do everything in my power
to adhere to his core beliefs principles
and ethics of antibiotics that
the whole reason why he felt comfortable
selling me the network because he knew
i wasn't going to just start to
be skis even do things just primarily
for profit driven narratives now with that
said on there that the reason i'm
decks is because you can monetize in
a perfectly like clean in and g
way
and then there are mounted h models
that i believe are just really scummy
and really you're not treating your listeners
as listeners you're treating them as numbers
that you can just promote and close
to other people does the easy thing
to for say i don't believe in
any pay well as i believed to
have a pay wall is to completely
disenfranchise a certain
percentage of your listenership because here's the
for instance i subscribe to over one
hundred and eighty different rss feeds yeah
some will say that does one more
time i subscribed to over one hundred
eighty different rss audio feeds i listen
to on average between twenty four and
forty hours worth of podcast
most every day thus i can not
monetary support everybody i listen to or
we will be eating road kill like
to three times a week so it
with that needed pay all to me
it is an immediate know go i
cannot get behind paywalls now if you
want to have except this special new
side channel content and say now that
he this is not the show but
this is other stuff i created if
you want access to it you can
pay me this fee and then you
get access to it with the believe
you know in within three or six
wants whenever i'm gonna release it for
free anyway so really people are just
doing it to support that that kind
of that aren't ya model
oh well i'll say this i've been
doing this before patron existed so what
i did back in the day with
i said well let me create and
i want to see it was about
three and a half hours worth of
lennox videos telling you all of the
basics about how to rip cds cause
that was still a thing back then
have the all these different task and
then you'd pay me you get access
to
oh it in which you have access
to it you had it basically they're
quick for life and the deal was
like after or how i want to
say it was because it with specific
to a very arteries wizard version of
ubuntu the next time the next major
release came out i basically just released
or the been used for free to
people at the could access on because
you are buying them not really to
learn how would you like most people
already
new the basics kind of thing but
it was really just to support me
and i use patron right now the
time and there's nothing behind that patriarch
pay walk i use patron to say
here's a post on to post this
year and patron but it's a public
posting which means anybody can access it
do i just use it as basically
a money changing hands platform ah if
you do use patron to give me
stuff you won't see anything any earlier
or any different than anybody else in
the world will ever see my stuff
because there are people who fall upon
hard times there are people who just
can't afford to do things
so the last a i want to
do is limit my exposure to them
one thing with with page on that
some people had a problem with and
this isn't specific to page your necessarily
but the the ability of someone like
that to to censor or two
determine who they see fit as far
as people that can use their service
and i know that pay pal just
went through while they something got league
that they are going to charge people
twenty five hundred dollars if they talk
bad about pay pal or some such
nonsense and then there's a bunch of
blow back so they said they were
going
to do it in that wasn't supposed
to be leaked or anything and then
two weeks later they just did it
anyway and so what are your thoughts
on that type of censorship because one
of the the main facet of this
show is to create a model that
is fairly well and censor of all
right i mean of
censorship bad there's no way to put
it and here's my my justification reason
for it i love being able to
walk into a room meet somebody and
instantaneously know if this person is a
dude bag censorship makes it all the
only thing censorship does in my opinion
is it makes it more difficult for
me to find people should true motives
and true beliefs i like to know
what people think right away without question
i don't want censorship to get the
way of that would have stated up
like on pine we self censor and
what i mean is yet to pick
your poison pick your audience coughing thing
and with pine nuts is thing we've
for
first and foremost said kate were never
gonna talk about sex never talk about
religion and we're not gonna talk about
politics because we want this to be
as friendly as possible were a parent
can listen to this with their kid
in the car and not have to
worry about what words are coming next
guy thing to you to me when
we do that kind of thing that
is like the absolute perfect way to
do it because we
we're making our own minds up on
i don't want any platform to ever
censor anything ah but in our discord
we just whenever this little bit ago
on another channel
i was showing them w t that
social that is jimmy wales wikipedia guys
social networking platform and the guy said
well that didn't sound like it's too
much based upon freedom and i'm a
dude first off you can say that
any platform number one number two there's
a reason why richard stallman richard em
stallman
a single and will be single for
the rest was like not because he
picks his toes and he stinks and
he's ugly but because he can't compromise
for anything who life is compromise so
every time we approach these platforms and
we'd this and we stop think to
ourselves are we going to use this
platform or not we have to stop
and we have to measure what we're
going to personally allow ourselves to
any here quick compromise there are certain
platforms i just won't use just will
not take part of just because you
know that's where i'm putting the stake
in the ground kind of thing and
if people don't use for it's it's
pay pal that where they put their
stake in the ground he had there's
other ways to support people and if
i'm me at a crater if i
say no you can only support me
by going to
these channels and that it then why
are you doing this just stopped doing
it you have to let people be
nice to you however they want to
be nice to you that address the
because i've at the beginning of this
i determine that that out only accept
bitcoin or crypto currency in general but
that was just just day
maybe on a whim or just going
along with the philosophy of the show
of decentralization and not using are trying
to avoid those type of in know
power corporate proprietary software taking fees and
things like that and so it it's
interesting because for me
me i'm okay with only accepting that
and if someone wants to give me
money i would prefer my at our
i'd rather have an email or and
and know of some kind and i'm
more than happy to help somebody get
into the lightning network to
be able to send booster grams and
i'm not too bothered by the financial
part of it hurt that the questionnaire
have is if you somehow i know
that pod nuts in know doesn't doesn't
really go anywhere near the line that
would be deemed safe
answerable by most any platforms but as
a hypothetical if patriarch on did decide
to cut off pod does the partner
to network what if anything do you
think he would do in order to
try to monetize or collect value back
from from people
how i mean my first thing would
be literally will the first thing is
josh
if our to up to your door
with a case of beer and like
have pulled pork you wouldn't get like
open the door for me let me
in if i want to contribute that
way new break it on over door
well at and that's why i say
you gotta let people contribute way they
want to contribute which to then i'm
going to reinforce it by saying all
the first thing i would do with
i would ask my audience where should
i go because i don't want
audience members to have to jump through
hurdles that they're not already jumping are
not comfortable with so have i have
you know a thousand people say ping
me take well i'm why don't you
get an amazon affiliate link i like
to support you that way okay cool
argue that you mean i'm not opposed
to using almost any service out there
air as long as it's weird my
listeners would like be to go if
they tell me you know i want
to give you lightning payments while and
okay with and i'll do that he
you know if you tell me there's
a a there is a couple other
services that are patriotic like that none
of them are coming to mind right
now they all take slightly higher percentages
and that was one thing i do
remember away
one like long time supporting guy really
nice guy said he would never give
me money be a patriot on because
they take it was at one point
five percent or something and then he
said and i would never give you
money through pay pal because they take
ah one point two five percent i'm
like ah okay he said
so he wanted to send me a
check to my house i don't think
the myself how many you know i'm
this is not just my house this
is my wiped out this is my
kids house i don't know if and
is willy nilly handing out my address
to anybody so it's a you mean
we all gotta make the decision on
herself but
the a i really don't podcast for
monetization yet is his to say because
i gotta have been on been at
the same employer never twenty six years
unpaid fine not great but fine wife
has a full time job she's paid
good kid of everything we want either
without want to every dollar every penny
i go
it in be my podcast is literally
it and was a free money but
it's money that allows me to enjoy
amenities that i wouldn't have otherwise like
brandy raspberry pi fours or rock sixty
fours or oh droid x you fours
or you know the kind of toys
the yeah really i would ask might
lie
listeners where they want me to go
because i'm already near quit established and
that like one watcher have to when
i'm listening to your podcast the right
providing really i'm not like killing josh
eighty percent of the stuff you're talking
about except for the rss tags stuff
is completely new to me because i
your i'm just starting to understand how
the mouth of each model with using
a crypto services as as a as
transport mechanisms for money so i'm not
against any of them i just don't
know them that's one of the problems
that i've had with doing this is
because i mean a lot of it
i'm lot wrote that
the her i'm learning as i go
obviously as anyone does when they start
something by were also sort of running
with scissors right on then the cutting
edge is what i'm trying to do
and whether it's viable or sustainable i
think it is an
and so i hit the hardest part
is be able to explain something that
you don't know extremely well yourself in
terms of other people can understand it
and to that i've been working on
at least for the last few episodes
is trying to you know you don't
he a dumb it down big
cause that's what i am in know
that take her
ah to stop talking in circles here
door so help me out well i
am and i will say just little
bit more about monitor the shun number
one if anybody starts to do a
podcast and the first words out of
their mouth is about making money you're
you're you're you're doing it wrong you
you're absolutely doing
wrong you don't podcast to make money
new podcast to either share to learn
to experience to connect to have fun
to educate you all these kind of
different things all you to bring i
think to better yourself to leave a
journal for your family there's a billion
good reason to podcast money should never
be in anyone's reasons forced on your
part
gas in the main reason i say
that is i personally this one you
think that personally believe if you sit
down to do a podcast and a
first thought in your mind is money
then this is not podcast me anymore
that his work is it's a job
this is something that you basically have
to do in order to make money
i've seen a whole bunch of marta
they should models man whole bunch of
them come and go the reason why
i like the by for value model
is it doesn't rely on external entities
that are are easy to disappear easy
to go away easy to change terms
on
you easy to change conditions on you
they're they're they're that's the way they're
going to be one would become more
popular one might become less popular it
might be a little more difficult to
exchange one to another kind of thing
but that's the limit is still going
to be there also owe me and
also what i'm going to say was
i'm you know when i started doing
this
kind of stuff there's really only one
path to success in air quotes as
a podcast caster or and it is
become famous someplace else ah whether it's
you're a got successful journalist a successful
athlete a successful actor a successful businessman
a success
for singer a successful whatever personality if
you come into podcasting you are you
immediately have a thousand percent more chance
of being successful than any normal person
starting a podcast there's really only one
person i know of
started is nothing and actually turned an
incredibly profitable podcast literally only one person
everybody else came into it with some
fame and recognition outside of podcasting so
that's the real reason why i say
you should never make monetization your goal
because the likelihood of success you literally
have
greater success you know all the at
the age of thirty deciding i want
to be in the nhl or i'm
going to be a professional baseball player
you literally have a better chance of
being successful that than you do is
being a very successful parkchester agreed on
the well all of it but the
money part for sure and the to
me it's
that we had talked about this before
but just the them out of of
ads that are going in to podcast
now this sort of an ad sandwich
two layers of of ads for the
bread and then a layer of ads
for the me in the middle of
the podcast and i would love to
see
he the value for value model take
off and so we don't have to
put up with that that doesn't have
to be that break you don't have
to get brain rot it for one
do that or watch the news on
tv and there there are examples of
value value working and people yeah i
i don't know how many people actually
making a full fulltime living on it
there are definitely at least a few
but it with that it doesn't you
don't get these ads and there's just
too is too much saturation of corporations
in people's lives
i think it should be very minimal
if at all within podcast oh yeah
i'm like of my examples are i'm
the like there's some pie cat it's
painfully obvious they have no new content
and they're literally only doing a new
podcast because they have to because the
ad people tell you you have to
put another podcast
that here's your money the examples are
like the show stuff you should know
shouldn't be called stuff you should know
he should be called add you should
know ah stuff to blow your mind
shouldn't be stuff to blow your mind
it should be adds to blow your
mind but it's quite literally like twice
in the middle of the episode four
minutes of ads it's literally a higher
percentage a higher rate
you start a higher ratio of adverse
it's content then public broadcasting that's just
wrong and the simple fact that some
people just listen to it and are
perfectly fine with it it really just
as really confuses me it's like some
people have intercourse with goats i don't
understand them either
i'm happy i don't understand both of
those kind of people
my like super state like sticky trick
i have two tricks to not hearing
ads number one ah before you download
your podcast are vpn in through a
foreign country without that that that beat
a completely different language and you at
least some of the as it automatically
get inserted by mechanisms will then be
in a foreign language you'll even up
understand them so they're paying for add
that you don't even understand which is
a win in my book the second
way quite literally when the ad for
explain to just take the air but
output the your but down keep doing
housework a minute later pick up here
but ninety nine percent of the stuff
that comes a minute to two minutes
after the ad is completely pointless content
anyways you're not missing anything
yeah usually their part after the ad
is the person that read the ad
massaging the back of the advertisers want
one thing that i don't know if
you're aware of and yeah i i
i don't know how well i've explained
boosts to you or boost grams using
lightning network to send
minute payment sometimes or in eyes whatever
percentage of a bitcoin you understand but
usually you know you're looking at less
than fifty cents and but you can
also with with new podcast apps you
can stream payments to you can set
however many satoshi is the
you want to stream per minute of
listening to a a show or podcast
to you had mentioned earlier that you
add a hundred and eighty while the
to stay this now to you you
listen to are you up to five
x between you listen to podcasts
i'll say about thirty percent of them
are the five x you okay
i read about three and a half
right now for most most of them
but the of those one hundred and
eighty if you like what what would
you feel comfortable as for a monthly
budget the have a i don't want
i don't need a number fear monthly
budget what i'm trying to say
he is if you are to stream
fifty cents to a show or or
twenty cents for an entire show or
something like that and at the the
podcast player automatically sent that from your
lightning wallet is that something you'd be
interested in what i mean this is
the way i think of it am
i don't
i don't watch any cable television i
don't watch any movies
i don't listen to terrestrial radio i
only listen to podcasts so quite literally
if i was a single man and
hypothetically i'm saving eighty hours a month
by not having cable television i would
literally be willing to spend like eighty
bucks a month supporting people because i
abuse podcast i listened that many of
them
granted there are some of the podcast
i wholeheartedly admit they are fine podcast
it's painfully obvious they don't do a
lot of work in their podcast but
to find podcast i could see giving
them something but then there are other
podcast an example i use his er
dan carlin's hardcore history or common sense
the amount of time that guy put
in the his
podcast i would be comfortable giving him
a monthly stipend of money even if
he only puts out a podcast every
six months with under the metal walk
this guy puts in the with podcast
so the bottom line is it depends
but i would be i mean i
already pay like want to say it's
or twenty five bucks a month total
in
recurring subscriptions have to go i'm donations
to content providers so i'm i'm not
against it if it was baked into
my podcast player or as long as
it's like a trusted platform reposted a
trusted person creating that platform i would
feel calm comfortable doing yeah yeah i
think it's a
it solves a lot of a lot
of those problems if you know you
deem whatever it amount it is you
know if you're the if you listen
to an hour podcast and and you
end up giving them sixty cents because
you are doing six cents a minute
afternoon that math and were not go
in there
but that if if you can just
listen to it and it automatically put
it in our transfers that to their
wallet i think that really does solve
a lot of the issues of subscriptions
and and pay walls and things like
that yeah i agree the only thing
that i think people might ah
hesitate is where going to use is
what that means you have to preemptively
budget ahead of time to do such
a thing we're
i'm giving people dollars it's just a
dollar there's no play pre budgeting for
it mother i don't understand that because
that your you have the budget for
if you giving somebody five dollars a
month on pager on in our your
budgeting that five dollars weather or with
your streaming than you do the same
thing and have that die
and yeah have transfer the the value
that way
yet at i mean and ammo see
the only reason i say that because
i'm not already doing it so maybe
it's my personal hesitation saying maybe not
a normal person to cut her a
you know but it's just a question
of to i have to nyc you
say okay i'm gonna take twenty bucks
out of my bank account put it
in to this other account and then
divvy up my
or even how the my is up
on time now mom's think it's almost
like my kids' school budget thing where
i can just put money in when
i feel kind of putting money in
and then just divvy it out through
the app on the may occur thing
so i see in the the chat
hear that looks like you're he have
a hard out yeah caviar wife coming
home from my helping her
her cousin plan a disney trip nice
okay do you want to that end
of the editing enclave with men and
discuss a little bit of over some
hardware and software sure thing
make sure that you put on your
slippers because it's pretty cozy in here
so this section of the show is
called editing enclave and as to swear
like to go over the editing process
from the previous show it's riveting obviously
out the the last show the recorded
time or the the time
time for the for recording was forty
minutes and thirty seconds and after editing
that went down to twenty seven and
a half minutes and that was just
removing silences and some other flubs but
nothing is mostly to silence as door
was talking about earlier and if your
recording by yourself it's a lot easier
stop talking and do it you have
to do find what you're looking for
whatever find the words you're looking for
and then this clear up the the
silence afterwards than trying to go out
and edit filler words and things like
that i also in the last episode
while hero or go back to that
but there since the episode twenty three
there was put out a week ago
there's been a hundred and seventy downloads
according to i bfs podcasting and so
the last three were twenty one episode
twenty one man during thoughts and thousand
one hundred and ten download and than
twenty two which has doubled his huh
hundred and eight downloads and then twenty
three is a hundred and seventy downloads
and several those are from me because
i was trying to get chapters to
work
ah minute break in here during the
editing process and mention that i am
an idiot and it's not chapters i've
got chapters for i think every episode
it's transcripts that i am having a
problem with and apparently been having a
problem with the word trans
script so if fire say chapters and
keep saying chapters chess please know that
i'm actually talking about transcripts i'll get
back to the door and some actually
intelligent conversation
for this episode and i went through
quite a rigmarole to do it using
what's called waske and whisper which are
taxed to or a speech to text
and i spent a lotta time doing
that and coming across many op's the
goals and finally getting something to that
fits this back and should work but
for some reason it doesn't work and
and the way that i know it
doesn't work is by checking on on
apps that that support the transcripts switches
podcast addicts is one of those and
for some reason they're just not
working the i'm pretty sure that the
it a dot srt file is in
the proper format proper size and everything
else but for some reason it's still
not working so i'm i'm still still
plugging away at that yeah i'm personally
waiting for transcriptions to be nailed down
for
that's one reason alone audio is not
index of or searchable so we can
talk about something in a podcast all
day long but unless somebody says hey
bob can listen to this you do
chance of discoveries near zero we're if
your actual you accurate transcriptions are available
for everyone kind of thing though
then it becomes instantaneously you know it
could become like the third most popular
search type thing ever or if if
we got it nailed there are a
lot of podcast that have transcriptions i
don't know where they where they get
them it's in the vein of what
i'm trying to do to not pay
for a serve
this to do the transcriptions and find
some open source software which these did
they they are they weren't completely accurate
but it was it away and after
set up a pretty easy way to
get a transcription file and then that's
one of the one of the new
name spaces are the one of the
tags
in the podcasting to boy no name
space is transcript and saw jeff the
do is point your rss to that
file and it should work right out
of the box
why i don't know what what they're
doing or how they're getting them to
work have reached out to several people
and i'm the sort of waiting to
hear back but when i do allah
i'll definitely make it make it known
very cool very cool i was a
to me that's like the easy most
easiest way to figure out if a
podcast is at
all authentic are not just in the
email now if they don't answer or
takes two weeks to answer now they're
not doing this for listenership they're doing
it for other reasons
so i wanted to ask you what
is a or what's the overview of
your of your actual recording set up
ah hardware show was does a hardware
ah hardware i have a high all
r p twenty two xlr type microphone
if you don't use a dynamic my
griffin and you use a condensing microphone
you're going have an incredibly difficult time
not having background noises coming to your
mike the bad thing about are dynamic
my kids you really have to be
like right on top of it when
you use it or out if to
go to the side you lose all
you would just how much you want
you don't want background noises after that
i have a
a db to sixty six x l
which is a used limit or noise
gate and compression piece of hardware that
i got used off of guitar center
literally a decade ago for like eighty
bucks or no moving parts which means
i do agree on that is dust
it and it should last in are
quick close to forever and i have
a lexicon
alpha us be audio interface which is
one of the most compatible pieces of
hardware for in are facing that i
ever have found not have a barren
jer mixer was a really low and
baron from mixer but if you notice
i've completely like for different pieces of
hardware you know i don't have a
us be
mixer slash audio interface combined just like
i would never buy a t v
v c r dvd combo mean i
want all my hardware completely separate so
if one failed i only had to
replace one piece of hardware and it
gives me more flexibility when i replaced
my all of this is combined now
over forty plus
years old still works like the i
bought it because you know it's just
basic hardware can you can you go
over the the set up or just
as far as the how those are
chained together from from your computer
and your microphone yeah on goes from
my or xlr microphone to an xlr
input in my bearings your i want
to say it's a five channel mixer
lochner a for channel mixer is what
it looks like other the for channel
mixer has a quarter inch or audio
jack out to the
back of the db x to sixty
six xl noise gate out of the
back of the noise gate is another
quarter inch jack going in to the
back of the u s be audio
interface and us be from that to
the computer the only thing gonna make
sure with all your cables is that
you bite shielded cables
ah which basically means you can have
your cables cross a who were power
type cables and you don't have to
worry about getting audio hums or hisses
from outside sources yeah nice yeah that's
i haven't i think most of my
cables came with with their products that
i'm that i'm using and i still
so i still don't fully understand at
all out that much hardware but as
this wonder catch up the enemy or
the piece of hardware i'll mention his
i took a ikea desk lamp oh
that mount on the side of a
desk with like a clean up i
took that i took the actual lamp
part off
a microphone stand fits right inside of
it so where my microphone connects to
my desk is literally like three feet
away from me
so if i'm typing on the keyboard
than the sound have to travel through
the keyboard through the desk three feet
over one direction to where the cleanup
isn't and three feet back up to
where my mike is for those kind
of vibrations to come through or if
you have he got desk type mount
and it's literally right next to your
keyboard that bad you want those points
to be a spa
are we as possible right nice i
was just of just chatting there with
their with mumble muted so with mambo
there's you can pick whether you want
it three voice activated or pushed to
talk until there's a little button on
my screen because i just opened basically
just installed mumble before
we started this and so i was
pushing the button instead of double clicking
it to leave it open and i
think i just drag the mouse right
off fit so i have no idea
where it stop were stopped recording
but the with your your hardware and
and their their space that you're in
you have any soundproofing or any of
their the from audio insulation anything like
that for the the place you're recording
and ah
absolutely not now say for ninety percent
of people to absolutely unnecessary unless you're
literally inside of like a clot it
like to like the room was a
sides of a closet when you're using
be dynamic microphone the point is don't
literally get them like nearly touching your
lips and then you adjust the gain
to we're it's just loud enough for
you to come across
might clear i got no problem saying
like this back in the day when
uncle leo was the premier podcast are
in the world and when i started
a podcast using basically that exact same
set up slightly different my room of
basically the exact same set up i
would have people email me telling me
my audio was on par with somebody
like
leo laporte using to literally thousands and
thousands and thousands but he knew parts
of hardware are all i do is
i just have by mike pointed right
to my lips i on my lips
are you have a of noise gate
so i'm not talking if the furnace
is honor the she's on know constantly
hear the background hum of that arm
and that
all i have to have soundproofing and
rooms to me is when you have
incompetent literally for spoken word incompetent condensing
microphones to we're every little tweak every
little me how every little dog scratch
you would hear on the like that
when you need soundproofing pervert do you
have time to go in
your software you need to get around
and ah now i mean i should
the software is i will say a
simple and air quotes stack of software
in the and here's the one reason
that it is is because with that
when i first started to get into
this am i knew from my name
your dog he couldn't fixing windows computers
how often times updates will change things
break thing
things and just make things like hard
reset where you got to sit down
of rejigger all the little knobs to
get it all back around again that's
part of the reason why i do
have a hardware noise gate a hardware
mixer so when i twist those knobs
i'll never have to worry about of
software updating twisting those knobs on the
tone so it's perfectly fine weight is
my computer can blow
oh up i can boot into a
lie though as i can record smart
sound exact same now with my software
editing if the same principles and that
is i don't want my software updating
and i want my software changing i
want my software for editing ever doing
anything i don't want to do so
i took an old debbie and based
distribution cod tango
oh studio i installed in to it
i installed jack i installed audacity i
installed lehman coder i installed que tractor
and i installed every v s t
plugin i could find on the planet
after that i went into the update
mechanism the sources that list fall
i nuke them so no matter what
know peter software in that vm is
ever going to get a software update
again the real reason i'm couple doing
that it's cause i don't use that
be to browse the internet i don't
use to answer emails aren't you to
do anything except at it and let
me just totally agree to slow down
present ah
i just wanted to to clarify of
a vm which is a virtual machine
which you can run on on your
your main computer on your laptop whatever
and spin up a whole new computer
has it's own ram on image using
the computers ram but for all intents
and purposes purposes it has it
own operating system it's own ram it's
own hard drive and so you can
experiment with things are or put other
software on there and run it and
it'll be sandbox from your computer is
at her a good synopsis or a
good enough synopsis yeah if you set
it up right it can completely be
seen bucks and the other plus two
it is
each transferable i can easily take that
be like a a virtual hard drive
copy it to any computer that can
run that virtual ah i'm ah software
and i can have the exact same
user experience wherever i go so again
it's redundant it's back up a boy
i don't have to worry about my
computer getting corrupt dying or my
my operating system blowing yeah because you
sent me that you set me that
file with the image of that vm
the use for part of your editing
process and i just haven't had the
chance to to get dive into it
i set it up but it also
fairly intimidating think there's three or four
day
front business software that i've never used
for trying to to figure out or
at least to try to figure out
how they both work and how they
work together is it is a little
bit overwhelming for me at this point
but with that you do your recording
can use can you go through the
the price
as of of recording and saving and
than editing while recording out a number
one rule about recording it's kind of
like if you do data backups you
can't just have one copy you cannot
just have one recording mechanism or else
you will inevitably say hey josh that
was a great podcast i'm can we
do it again
in because i kind of messed up
i kind of ruin the recording t
always want to have multiple layers of
recording right now typically what i do
is like when i use mumble right
now in the room it's just me
and josh are typically what i do
it i take another computer and i
basically just have that computer log in
to the mumble instance and i recall
it on two different computers so on
both computers i can say inside the
mumble record so i get to separate
files so one computer dies i still
have another version of that audio now
why also do i right now stream
the you tube only because again i'm
doing this for decade it was the
only thing that was available back in
the day when i first started
and it made it really easy to
have a offsite immediate backup it's up
my house caught fire i would have
that available to me
literally you know with over ah five
hundred three hundred four hundred like almost
a thousand plus episodes i've only had
to go back to that you tube
version of the audio maybe four or
five times because i had these other
mechanisms in place so you three to
me is the perfect number i always
try to record in
two org format no matter what platform
up using org format with a cloudy
of eight when you go in to
do your exporters' to your say with
og sometimes is a quality setting not
always if there is a me and
steve to be no came to the
belief that an org quality eight was
nearly comparable to the quality
a wave fall but still only have
like one fiftieth the size of a
wave fall so it's like to me
we thought the good balance between quality
and fall side i basically take the
odd foul first thing i do is
just try to trim the beginning and
endings just opening up or i'm all
day
yeah city as soon as i'm done
or rearm courting and i try to
just pinch the end the we're you
know the fall starts half a second
later we're doing the intro thanks er
one for coming out see you next
time foul and i try to get
it night and trim and type i
then debatably put them into the vn
an actor in the bm first thing
i do is i just opened
the waveform and i just visibly look
for obvious peaks now it's a none
of your audio waveform should be touching
the outside of the waveform and audacity
k you should be approaching it though
you should always be at least like
fifty percent filling up that way for
and it's in it's it's own
the thing you have to just keep
doing it and keep looking at it
for to start to make sense to
you i promise if you start doing
it it will eventually make sense to
you
you never want the audio to touch
the outsides if you do then you
know it's distorting and you're literally gonna
hear like fussing sound almost has are
too loud k and i basically just
find spots where it's higher typically it's
higher when there's old hard popping of
a p i accidentally hit something on
the table or somebody is laughing
inevitably whenever someone laughed it's always really
loud but it's always easily visibly to
see and the waveform before disco type
away form a zoom in using the
mouse wheel selecting areas and then i
just simply do affect amplify and i
put negative for that for i don't
know why but i always been negative
for that for and then
and if i need to do it
again i just control our to repeat
and i just try to get all
of the extreme peaks out of the
audio file next thing i always do
with i always try to find a
quiet spot where i know i'm transmitting
to where i just highlight that and
even if you don't see any waveform
if you hit play their you watch
the bounce meter you're going to see
little bit
of activity that static that his coming
in then i just basically select that
and i say affects noise cancel get
sample select all up effect noise cancel
okay and i'm going to get rid
of that background hits from the entire
file so when it's quiet you've really
want quiet you do not want
noise when there's quietness if you do
users have to literally turn the by
him up in order to hear the
same thing that's one of those audio
weirdness it's once i got rid of
the peaks i then do the noise
cancellation i then basically select the entire
file and i use what's called a
dating compression real nice guy on you
to named dana tucker he listened to
him boy that boy has a really
southern drawl kind of thing he is
he is the south but he's also
professional audio engineer who admitted to me
out of my hundred and fifty podcast
he probably l it's twenty or thirty
of them are but he can't say
which ones they are because the contract
while about life but i'm literally a
professional audio editor that's what i
do and when he told me is
when i do mike tyson compression there's
basically for different entries in audacity when
you do you're dating oppression and i
really can remember what the are top
ahead i just know the first one
i changed the negative eighteen that the
db amplitude negative eighteen he said you
always what negative a eighteen ah the
second choice always leave to the
default than the next to i always
change to one which is the high
as you can possibly put it and
then i just hit okay and what
that does is think of it as
a massage for your audio it takes
the louder parts and makes them just
a little bit quieter and then takes
the choir parts and makes him a
little bit louder that's just so
so the people listening to your podcast
don't have to continuously turn the by
him up turn the by down turn
the by him up turn the by
him down you want to be as
close to that middle as possible and
that's what a dating compression enables you
to do you have ah this these
are the same the same settings and
the same process well mostly there's something
in there that that you do that
i don't do which i'm and start
doing which is the amplify the to
minus four point four but these are
the same settings that i use when
when i'm editing with audacity so i
think it it sounds pretty decent and
will definitely few reach out
we can help set up the the
audacity it's a it's a bit difficult
to just listen to it and and
and comprehend the settings and without ever
looking at audacity but it's it is
that is pretty straightforward i mean there's
so many options in audacity that
i don't know i don't even know
what they are i are you never
seen them probably and i can use
it use it just fine but it
can be i find myself that that
sound editing software is is pretty intimidating
when it comes down to it because
like you were talking about everything's gone
knobs and dials and they know there's
so many options that it just feels
pretty overwhelming oh yeah and amie you
remember this software is made for every
type of audio task you can probably
think of whether his music creation music
engineering taking like
you know i'm really corrupt bad audio
and try to massage it into being
listened also audacity really tries to be
the universal tool box of every single
possible all you need which means when
you're like upon cassar you're literally on
going to use one out of every
ten or fifteen things at most and
i can tell you what i just
went through was ninety percent of my
editing pot process and quite literally when
you get a hang of it for
an hour long podcast that process can
be as little as ten fifteen minutes
they are perfect i mean that's that's
ideal i still go through am and
listen to the entire episode
showed and at it that way and
removed things and just fine anywhere that
audio needs to be fixed somehow or
something is an issue but it's mostly
just to remove sometimes or the start
talking to myself and it is not
relevant at all but by
ideally i think everyone's goal with producing
a show is to make the editing
process as short as possible because it's
beverly not the most pleasant part of
of creating a podcast on farming yeah
and arm the audacity tip i'll give
you is if you're using audacity to
record you really can only use
for one person if you try most
the most times have you tried to
record multiple people in audacity it gets
crunch down to one channel you never
want that you always want each person
be on their own channel but if
you're using audacity record yourself the biggest
tip i can give you a control
am your recording you hit control you
tap am and it creates a marker
right there at that specific time and
it's ready for you to type so
you can quite literally typed typed the
word call for whatever and then hit
enter and then the end of your
saving process you'll be able to super
quickly jumped back to that exact spot
and you the editing that you need
to do anything with are out there
is if anything i said sound overwhelming
trust me believe me hear me now
believe he later the very first couple
times you do editing it is cumbersome
it is difficult each time it should
become a little bit easier little bit
simpler and club faster if anybody needs
help don't hesitate contact me i will
do everything i can tell anybody get
up and running and get their podcast
out the door kind of thing
auburn me it is eating it's the
kind of thing that there is no
such thing as competition when it comes
to podcasting which is why i still
like podcasting because we're all in the
same boat together there's no reason not
to help everybody agreed and i appreciate
all the help that you've given me
and the everyone else has given me
i don't know how you doing for
time
okay i see that
they i really really appreciate you jumping
on here with me and help me
or and get it up and running
so that that we could do this
you have given me so much you've
got me so much door
well i don't know if i've mentioned
it on here before but i've been
a co host on android app addicts
which is a podcast on the pod
not network that my good friend door
is c o chairman of and that
was the first time that i had
ever
recorded and that that's pretty much me
recording doing the steps that door just
talked about on the the audacity and
then uploading the sound file the him
and then he stitches them all together
with our other cohost i've or and
that was
aaron
disc for a little bit of the
sidebar here i used to listen to
android app attics while taking a bath
know get your mind our the gutter
and i would i would contribute in
the the chat room there and then
one of the the coast well yeah
through different zurich
from stances
there's spots for another nother host or
to host and then basically just said
i was interested in and so we
came on i for myself and that
was the first time the lead recorded
anything or was part of a podcast
and so door i i i appreciate
that
that that opportunity i've had a lot
of fun doing that and i'm having
a lot of fun doing this am
and euro a major reason for that
and again i really appreciate it so
if if you want to let people
know how they can get a hold
of are a little bit more about
you or anything else that you wanna
that you want to say
they get outta here before again too
much troll
ah i'll just say if you know
more about me what is just look
in the notes traveling their am i
almost despise every podcast at the end
spending ten minutes going over all i'm
on twitter here i'm on facebook i'm
on the i g i liked and
them mean i'll be wherever people want
me to be his bottom line
mine it unless it's facebook bed is
so if you're interested in anything i
said wife of josh josh traveling to
my email address in the notes such
shoot me an email can you help
with anything guys they shoot me an
email if you just need somebody to
vent to to talk to to unload
just email me i can give you
my phone number kind of thing if
you
just want to be on a podcast
and you find it too difficult to
do work pitch me the idea if
i like it enough we can have
it on partner dental care and if
then you decide to go up on
your own i'm not going to be
mad at you out help you transition
off to your own platform again the
more podcasting i do the basically the
better i feel and the happy
your i end up being so whenever
like josh says cake cake about my
podcast on yeah i'm pretty sure i
can you go thanks door i really
appreciate it reach out all the time
for this gutter so a hobby there
will be talking soon and to imo
rap that up here for this first
interviews slash cohost
show that i've that i've done and
like a stay at the end of
every episode does try to keep getting
better
then
cause they store
he had tragic